tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1134409529300874303.post5504362278863547848..comments2023-11-05T01:40:32.615-07:00Comments on Lengthy Epitaph: Whistle-StabbingBruce Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10898228670873232050noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1134409529300874303.post-83935712630968329932011-01-30T02:30:24.032-08:002011-01-30T02:30:24.032-08:00Bonjour Lotus,That is terrible what you tell here....Bonjour Lotus,<br><br>That is terrible what you tell here. If it happened as you explain you are living in a kind of liberal Soviet Union. <br><br>Here in France, if somebody gets fired or mobbed at the work place there is always the possibility to file a complaint at "Prud'homme" (a extra-judicial court composed of trade union members and bosses). In case you win (one mostly does, but not always) the employer has to reengage you or pay a heavy fine. Just for information.<br><br>That was very interesting and worthwhile to read.<br><br>GeorgGeorghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05379915142029115257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1134409529300874303.post-24229987292897363432011-01-11T09:47:25.510-08:002011-01-11T09:47:25.510-08:00im pretty much with earl on this one. Some co-wor...im pretty much with earl on this one. <br><br>Some co-workers and i were just talking about this case last week.<br><br>I think if the person HAD come forward at the time, it would have effectively ended THEIR military career, instead.<br><br>either ending is just as stupid, if you ask me.Slydehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02170343849186268727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1134409529300874303.post-52648182603241756052011-01-07T07:06:59.262-08:002011-01-07T07:06:59.262-08:00Yes, BUT...if the person or persons who were unabl...Yes, BUT...if the person or persons who were unable or unwilling to make a stink over these videos at the time of their service because of how it might affect their career (or lives), isn't it also a "hard" choice to do so afterward knowing that they might spare future service men and women from this behavior? Even it it comes at the expense of one of the men foolish enough to encourage that behavior? <br><br>I just wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the person (or persons) who waited to lodge the complaint took the easy way out. It may have been just as difficult a choice for that person as it would have been for another to say something right away.B.E. Earlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03139591223231428391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1134409529300874303.post-31758212853551131422011-01-06T08:34:22.423-08:002011-01-06T08:34:22.423-08:00Earl, I am not going to defend Captain Honors. Wh...Earl, I am not going to defend Captain Honors. What he did was pretty bone-headed. Punishment is most likely warranted. But justice delayed is justice denied. This was for all intents and purposes public knowledge in the navy and has been ongoing on most navy ships for years. I would look to keel haul the highest ranking navy officer that knew of the videos at the time of their release, not the star of the videos five years later. This is higher ups covering their asses to save their careers at Honors expense. <br><br>If you are on board a ship during war time and you find some of the 'blowing off steam' antics of your shipmates a little offense, you suck it up for the overall benefit of the 'team'. If you find it very offense to the point where it affects your performance you complain up the chain of command. Life isn't full of 'easy' choices, it is full of hard ones. <br><br>...and I love the fact that these videos were essentially 'training' videos for the crew highlighting ship-board operations and procedures interspersed with humor to make them interesting. You don't see any of the 'this how to keep the nuclear reactor from going critical' in any of the video bites being shown on television. Only the shower scenes and rude comments.Lotus07http://www.blogger.com/profile/10898228670873232050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1134409529300874303.post-37790501743595300522011-01-06T08:20:59.588-08:002011-01-06T08:20:59.588-08:00So what do you think would have happened if the pe...So what do you think would have happened if the person who was offended by the videos had confronted XO Honors at the time? Or had formally lodged a complaint? What would the outcome have been? A formal apology and retraction by the Captain and his staff? C'mon...<br><br>Would that have made that person's remaining time in the Navy better or worse? I'm betting on the latter. Maybe they waited five years out of consideration of their own careers. Sure, the "brave" thing would have been to follow the chain-of-command and lodge a complaint. But in the recent era of the military, that might have made this person's life a living hell. And it probably wasn't just one person who was offended. On a ship that large there were probably dozens who were offended. Some closeted gays...some women. Who knows?<br><br>I hate to see a guy lose his gig over something this stupid, but he and the rest of the higher ups should have known better. It was all done in light-hearted fun, but sometimes light-hearted fun can be mean and offensive. Just because the Navy he grew up in was a hetero boy's club, doesn't give him the right to poke fun at those who are different.B.E. Earlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03139591223231428391noreply@blogger.com